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20/20
Friday, Jan. 7, 1999 (This is an unedited, uncorrected transcript.)
Prepared by Burrelles Information Services, which takes sole responsibility for accuracy of transcription.
BARBARA WALTERS, ABCNEWS All these years weve been hearing bad things about divorced fathers, those so-called deadbeat dads. Many accused of living it up while their wives and children have to scrape by. Well, thats a picture thats been widely painted, and, while its true in some cases, now there is a surprising discovery. John Stossels report could change our whole point of view.
1ST OFFICER The sheriffs department. Open the door.
PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON I challenge the fathers of this country to love and care for their children.
2ND OFFICER Whats the guys name.
PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON If your family has separated, you must pay your child support.
JOHN STOSSEL, ABCNEWS (VO) Weve heard it again and again. So often fathers behave horribly, selfishly walking out on their kids.
MAN These are folks who are oblivious to their responsibility.
JOHN STOSSEL Weve heard many men just refuse to pay.
OFFSCREEN VOICE One person alone owed more than $37,000.
MOTHER Right now, Im begging and borrowing. Im living off the neighbors.
JOHN STOSSEL (VO) So while ex-wives and children struggle, men live it up.
PETER JENNINGS, ABCNEWS (From tape) Women and children suffer a 73 percent decline in their standard of living in the first year after divorce. Men, on the other hand, had a 42 percent increase.
JOHN STOSSEL These statistics shocked Arizona State University psychologist Sanford Braver who wondered...
SANFORD BRAVER Why are these divorced fathers acting so irresponsibly? How could a dad abandon his child?
JOHN STOSSEL So you believed this data about fathers being...
SANFORD BRAVER Absolutely.
JOHN STOSSEL And you were just trying to figure out why?
SANFORD BRAVER Right. And I started realizing that there were some really gaping holes in what we thought we knew and why things were the way they were.
JOHN STOSSEL (VO) Braver then conducted a study of 400 divorces in one part of Arizona, the biggest federally-funded study ever done on divorced dads. What he found was very different from conventional wisdom.
DIANE OCONNELL Absolutely false.
JOHN STOSSEL Science journalist Diane OConnell joined Bravers project after hed started compiling data that contradicted Weitzmans findings.
DIANE OCONNELL It really opened my eyes that there was another side to this story.
JOHN STOSSEL Now, OConnell and Braver have written this book about what they say are myths about divorced dads. Myths like the famous Weitzman statistic about mens living standards increasing while womens declined 73 percent.
DIANE OCONNELL And that figure was a mistake. The result of a mathematical error.
JOHN STOSSEL A math mistake?
SANFORD BRAVER Reversing a couple of figures.
JOHN STOSSEL But this is cited everywhere. Three hundred forty-eight social science articles, 250 law review articles, 24 appeals court cases. Thats a famous statistic.
SANFORD BRAVER And its wrong.
JOHN STOSSEL Weitzman wouldnt talk to us. But she does now admit that she made a mistake on the math. She says it was the fault of the computer analyst. It did take her more than 10 years to admit the mistake. So, whats the truth? Who does make out best financially after divorce?
SANFORD BRAVER Our results show that men and women come out almost exactly equally.
JOHN STOSSEL (VO) And what about that census data about so many dads being deadbeats?
DIANE OCONNELL No, its not true at all.
1ST WOMAN Hi. Im from the US Census Bureau.
JOHN STOSSEL (VO) The census gave us this tape to illustrate how they get their information. Every couple of years the census sends workers out to peoples homes to ask, is child support being paid?
DIANE OCONNELL Yeah, but who are they asking? Theyre asking the mothers. Theyre not asking the fathers. Youre getting one side of the story.
JOHN STOSSEL (VO) Amazingly, the government bases all its data on child support on questions asked of just one of the parents.
DIANE OCONNELL Exactly.
JOHN STOSSEL And 90 percent of the time thats the mother.
DIANE OCONNELL Thats the mother.
SANFORD BRAVER Everything we knew about non-custodial fathers, it turns out we knew from custodial mothers.
JOHN STOSSEL (VO) Dan Weinberg heads the census division that collects the data.
DAN WEINBERG Yes.
JOHN STOSSEL How much did you actually receive? I just have a hard time believing that these people, many of whom are angry, are going to give honest answers.
DAN WEINBERG Actuallywell, the anger may help them remember what theyre supposed to receive.
JOHN STOSSEL Why not go to the man and ask, is it true?
DAN WEINBERG We would be violating the confidentiality of the custodial mother.
JOHN STOSSEL Is there any cross-check.
DAN WEINBERG No. We dont check any of it.
JOHN STOSSEL But wouldnt they lie just because theyre mad at the man?
DAN WEINBERG People are basically honest.
JOHN STOSSEL (VO) When Braver in his study asked both parents, he found much higher levels of child support paid, on average a 70 percent compliance rate.
SANFORD BRAVER We found that a surprising number of fathers were impeded in their efforts. The mother just simply said, No, you cant see your kid.
JOHN STOSSEL (VO) Bobs ex-wife didnt say that. But Bob says she used her time with the kids to poison their minds against him. He allowed a 20/20 hidden camera to follow him as he tried to visit his children. Though Bob had court-ordered visitation, he said he rarely got to spend the day with his five kids.
JOHN STOSSEL (VO) The family court judge ordered Bobs ex-wife to encourage visitation, but orders like that are rarely enforced.
JOHN STOSSEL (VO) His ex-wife didnt want to be interviewed but denies she ever tried to turn the kids against their father. She says they were afraid of him. But the parent who has custody does have enormous power to influence the children.
JOHN STOSSEL (VO) Shortly after this broadcast, Bob did give up. He kept paying child support, but he moved out of state. Six months later, one of his sons was killed in a bicycle accident. Last winter Bob saw all his children for the first time in 15 years, when his oldest daughter asked him to give her away at her wedding. Would that long estrangement have been avoided if the court order against the mother had been aggressively enforced?
DIANE OCONNELL Theres no bite to the law. What are they going to do to enforce it? They cant garnish her wages the way the government can garnish a fathers wages if he doesnt pay child support. There is no legal recourse. Theyre not going to throw the mother in jail.
JOHN STOSSEL They do throw dads in jail.
2ND WOMAN Can you come to the door? Sheriffs Department.
JOHN STOSSEL (VO) The terrible reputation of the deadbeat dad has led America to create an extraordinary campaign against the deadbeat. Thousands of deputies, thousands of arrests, an enormous child support bureaucracy chasing the dads. Just a mothers word that the man hasnt paid sometimes start a process that leads to his bank accounts and property being seized or jail time.
HERBERT GLICKMAN I really have no choice but to incarcerate you until you come up with a reasonable payment.
JOHN STOSSEL Family court Judge Herbert Glickman says the system is not biased against dads.
HERBERT GLICKMAN But the law is clear in just about every state that the obligation to pay child support is unrelated to the right to have visitation with the children.
JOHN STOSSEL They have to pay support even if shes not letting them in?
HERBERT GLICKMAN That is true. That is true.
DIANE OCONNELL They get to the point where they say, Well, I give up. What am I, just a wallet? So thats when they begin to drop out of their kids lives.
JOHN STOSSEL (VO) And of course we know thats terrible for the kids. So its a vicious circle. We want dads to be with their kids, but the system focuses on getting money from the dads, not time. And that drives many fathers away.
SANFORD BRAVER Society wants to blame fathers, society wants to see fathers as bad guys.
DIANE OCONNELL You cant blame mothers. Its not politically correct to blame mothers. And you certainly cannot blame the children. So whos left? Well, fathers, males, are an easy target.
JOHN STOSSEL There are lots of bad guys.
DIANE OCONNELL Oh, absolutely. Yes, there are. But they are not the majority. And they are not the only story. But theyre the ones that we hear about.
JOHN STOSSEL (VO) So from census data thats questionable, from an influential book that was just wrong, we have the image of the terrible dad, which reinforces a system that Braver says drives fathers away.
SANFORD BRAVER We are depriving children of a second parent. Were hurting the people who deserve the most help: the children.
BARBARA WALTERS I think, John, most of us would really agree that it is better if a child has two parents and that even if youre divorced you shouldnt use anger to keep the child from seeing the other parent. However, it is hard for me to believe that most fathers are financially responsible, because I hear from so many women who are struggling.
JOHN STOSSEL You think because youre a woman you find this hard to believe?
BARBARA WALTERS Yeah.
JOHN STOSSEL Well, I can see your point. I believe that more women are more caring about children and more men than women behave selfishly. But I think this data is accurate and most men are responsible. And if this misinformation has led kids to be deprived of a second parent, thats terrible.
BARBARA WALTERS Youre right. You know, I guess Ill just have to change my tune.
JOHN STOSSEL Good.
BARBARA WALTERS If you would like to chat with Sanford Braver, the psychologist in our report, hell be available Monday afternoon 3:00 PM Eastern time at our Web site at abcnews.com.
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